My response to the ventnorblog (http://ventnorblog.com/2010/06/06/peter-venner-safely-back-on-the-isle-of-wight-from-gaza-aid-flotilla-podcast/) and the recent return of peace activist Peter Venner from israel following the illegal boarding of the Mavi Marmara (June 2010.) and the murder of 9 Turkish civilians.
Click if you like this comment Bob Obvious says:
Today at 8:30 am (7 hours ago)
Ethnic Cleansing; genocide; war crimes; State Terrorism; and now Piracy. Yet still nothing is done by the so-called international community to stop this outrageous brutal subjugation of the people of Gaza.
israeli supporters should hang their heads in shame for they are also complicit in these illegal acts.
The fact is that Gaza is under siege and its people subject to a form of occupation, rather like the occupation of Northern Ireland by the British government. Except the British have never bombed any Irish cities using phosphorous, or (rarely) intentionally targeted any innocent civilians , or even shut down the borders with the rest of Ireland and the world and placed punitive measures on the N.I. population (resulting in 80% receiving food aid: 40% unemployment: restrictions on movement: and destruction of infrastructure etc) for acts of aggression committed by a minority of individuals who claim to be freedom fighters and yet are viewed as terrorists.
On 30th January 1972, British Paratroopers shot dead 14 Irish protesters and wounded 13 others in an event for which the (acting) British government has been widely condemned and the tribunal it held immediately after the event branded a whitewash. We are still awaiting the results of a 2nd inquiry (the Saville inquiry: established in 1998.) however, I am in no doubt the troopers who committed the acts will be found to have acted with excessive force. And yet if the events of Bloody Sunday were held in comparison with the almost daily clashes between Palestinian youths and I.D.F. operatives then it would appear to be nothing out of the ordinary and would most certainly not be subject to any form of scrutiny or commentary by the israeli government or the wider international community.
The israelis only get away with all these hideous crimes because of the backing it gets from the US government, who receives millions of dollars each year from various zionist lobby groups such as AIPAC; AJC; JINSA; Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations; ZOA (Zionist Organization Of America.) Not to mention the guilty silence of our own government and others around the world.
Nearly 50 UN resolutions since 1948 have held israel to be in breach of several major internationally recognised human rights violations, yet because the value of the dollar is held to be more than that of human life, nothing is done about it.
I salute Peter Venner for all he has done to help the people of Gaza and only wish I could do the same. In fact if you need any help and support Peter please contact me @ obviouslyFAKE2 (YouTube) and I would be only too happy to assist.
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Click if you like this comment No.5 says:
Today at 11:01 am (4 hours ago)
actually no…its nothing like Northern Ireland.
England conquered Ireland (the whole country) 1000 years ago and in the 17th century forced a foerign (nation & religion) on them in the 18th Century, incorporating them into the Great Britain in th 19th Century.
In the 1920 Britain gave back 2/3 of the country as one step in the break up of its empire.
The IRA contested to incorporate the last 3rd into the country of Eire, something the vast majority did not want.
This is nothing at all like the situation in Israel
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Hammas has as much to answer too as Israel does, no peace will ever happen whilst they continue to missile Innocent people and hide behind civilians.
My total support goes to the innocent civilians of Gaza and Israel who are betrayed by their leaders.
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Click if you like this comment Bob Obvious says:
Today at 2:57 pm (36 minutes ago)
I very much beg to differ with the view that there is no comparison between the occupation of Palestine and Gaza by the israelis and that of the British in Ireland over the past 100 years, except that in more recent years (the past 45) the British government and armed forces have behaved in a relatively humane way when dealing with terrorists, regardless of the fact that innocent citizens of mainland Britain and the Northern Irish provinces were under the threat of being maimed and/or killed at any given moment by either a bomb or a bullet. And many many 100’s actually were.
In my initial comment I drew upon the analogy of occupation in Northern Ireland and made particular reference to 20th century events because, as you quite rightly pointed out, Northern Ireland had been partitioned in the 1920’s, therefore the troubles have had around 90 years to run their course. In israel and Palestine the conflict has lasted 62years, although before that (when it was part of the British Empire) there was still conflict and acts of terrorism, only then, the acts were committed against serving British personnel.
I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding the treatment of innocents and in truth this was the subtext to my commentary. The blockade is wrong and in my mind illegal, as is the conduct of the israelis when dealing with Palestinian aggression.
As you have mentioned, the British and Irish have had several hundred years to come to terms with occupation in Ireland and even in the early 20th century British rule and control could have been viewed as excessive and harsh. However, that was a condition of the times and a result of draconian laws (such as hanging and criminalising homosexuality) which have been thankfully undone and abandoned. Therefore, a further purpose to my analogy was to give rise to the question of the collective punishment metered out by the israelis on all the people of Gaza and also in the West Bank and Jerusalem.
Have the israelis ceased their settlement’s continuous encroachment onto Palestinian land and the resultant dispersal of native Palestinians away from the violence and/or to refugee camps in neighbouring countries like Lebanon? NO.
My commentary may not be completely accurate but I’m damn sure my sense of justice IS. My nation chose to rescind its draconian past and replaced it with humanity and integrity and justice for each one of us good or ill.
When children and women are physically and mentally abused and terrorised then this is wrong in any court of human rights. When one country is allowed to thumb its nose at UN resolutions and continuously break international law, then this is also diabolical and wrong. When violence is met with violence then nothing will be solved because no one will give an inch. State Terrorism is still Terrorism and nobody can deny it.
We are expected to remember the Holocaust, yet also expected to say nothing when acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing are carried out both systematically and under a veil of secrecy and self-evaluation/investigation. The whole stink of hypocrisy fills my nostrils and makes me ill and I can’t help but think that you are fooling yourself when you offer words of support to a criminal nation.
And as a little extra thought for you, don’t forget the fact that a vast amount of money received by groups like the IRA, was collected by NORAID in the USA. This went on for years under the noses of successive US governments because it suited the USA for Britain to be distracted. Just as it suites Iran that the coalition is bogged down and distracted in Afghanistan. israel’s only saving grace is that it’s a rogue nuclear state (just like India and Pakistan) and if it wasn’t for this Iran would probably take a more aggressive stance, other than merely supplying arms and money to organisations like HAMAS.
Just like our Yin-Yang coalition government, the Middle East needs to find the centre ground, although I fear this will never happen when the main protagonists are unable to talk and discuss their differences in a more civilised and understanding way. But hey, the Northern Irish may be able to lead by example so long as they continue to give and take a little and ignore the dogs of war who chose the bullet over ballot and terror over compassion.
FREE GAZA. STOP THE SETTLEMENTS. BOYCOTT israel.
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Click if you like this comment Bob Obvious says:
Today at 3:24 pm (9 minutes ago)
“The IRA contested to incorporate the last 3rd into the country of Eire, something the vast majority did not want.
This is nothing at all like the situation in Israel”
Your quote here (No.5) insists that the vast majority in N.I. did not want reunification and this may be true, yet you seem unaware that in 1948 when the state of israel was established, only 2% of the population was Jewish. Therefore, even on this level the comparisons are starkly similar in texture and design because the vast majority of “innocents” were held to ransom and dictated to by the few through threat of violence and intimidation.
Global Zionism has pulled together many propagandist threads in order to soften israel’s international public image, but their lies will be harder to promote from now on I hope because their actions will eventually reveal the truth and open people’s eyes to the great wrongs they are doing.
Stop kidding yourself no.5, however you dress it up, israel’s reaction has been vastly disproportionate and its past conduct completely counter-productive and negative.
